IMMERSED BAPTIZE OR NOT?

Baptize is origin from 'Baptizio' which mean immersing/ deepening/ dipping. Just I've ever written in article ' Traditional Church vs. Charismatic Church' that recently many people from traditional church moves to Pentecost/ charismatic church.

The problem is in Pentecost/ charismatic church the people are asked to be 'rebaptized' with reasons that a sprinkle baptizing they had before is not valid/ legal. According to my opinion it is not a problem if ones would like to rebaptism, it is their own decision/ will.

The question is sprinkle baptize is valid or not?

Oo ... just to let you know, the author had done sprinkle baptized, never do immersing/deepening baptize yet, but to eat Pempek Palembang Kapal Selam (Indonesia food) yes I often do so.

Even there is a charismatic church (which is be on top right now) fame with its Holy Communion and Anointing Oil, ask their community to be rebaptized, doesn't care the people comes from famous traditional church or Pentecost.

According to this top church, the baptism that people had its not valid, because it's not been lead by the holy and sacred priest. Because of this reason/ suggestion, many people come in great numbers to be rebaptized which is held in a hotel in North Jakarta.

The author had come for several times to see the baptizing occasion while taking other people who would like to be baptized. The difference is so obvious, brother. Many people has been released from evil spirit, many people are healed from their illness. (Also there's one who goes back/ home to the Father a couple of days after been baptized).

But what the author saw there it wasn't the real baptize, it's only a releasing and healing event which is done in the water. Although some people are still been tied (the Demons are still inside them after following the baptizing).

Well, it seems that this charismatic church blends/mixes among baptizing, releasing and healing. But just let it go. Many people are released and healed. Let's go back to the core problem, ok?

The verse in the Bible says Mat 28:19

"Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them
in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,"

The order is very clear. For the people who repent & believe Jesus are asked to be baptized. If we see the origin of the baptism should be done in a place with a lot of water, but don't know why in traditional church Baptism only done by sprinkling.

Maybe they want to be thrifty with water? Or is it difficult to find a place with a lot of water? Or it has been a tradition or ....... something else, I don't know. What is clear the baptism sprinkle with water?

But there is one thing we should remember when we had been baptized truly the priest said a sacred word i.e.: 'baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit'. Do you understand what does it mean?

Maybe the small amount of water is incompatible with the water utilizing rule in baptizing. What does it mean? But the sacred value is testified / passes the examination. Why I say so?
When the priest says' baptize them in the name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit' means that Heaven baptize the person.

Heaven claimed that the person is valid belongs to Heaven. Then the angels stamp the person with "Heaven Stamp". This is what has happened in the spirit realm, when someone is baptized by a priest. So it doesn't depend to how the character of the priest is.

Because when someone is baptized that means the Heaven baptized the person not the priest. God uses the priest as a tool.

Well, same like this, if someone is appointed/ promoted by the President's decision letter/decree to be posted as let's say ... 'First Key Position Official', but the one who inaugurate the person is the Vice President. That doesn't mean that the Vice President is become the 'First Key Position Official'.

The Vice President only helps the President to legalize the person become 'First Key Position Official’ and the one who appoint / promote it is the President. So, it doesn't matter if at that time the Vice President gets scabies (skin disease) means the official who is promoted is not get scabies, too.

Or, if the Vice President is a corruptor then the new officer who just been promoted is also a corruptor? No brother, the official is just like the original official. So does the priest who baptizes the new born person.

About whether the sprinkle baptizes valid or not the author thinks simply. Let's say at the most Heaven says it's so stingy in water usage. So when someone is baptized means that he/ she is signed by Heaven to belong to Him.

Well, the special rights as children of God due to start/valid. For example : The Devil wants to bother human, he must ask permission to the Father.
So when someone is baptized means that he/ she is signed by Heaven to belong to Him.

Read this verse what Peter says in

1 Pet 3:21
"which was a symbol pointing to baptism, which now saves you. It is not the washing off of bodily dirt, but the promise made to God from a good conscience. It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,"

Actually, the most important as a Christian is how we live in truth before Him, obey His will, listen to His voice, become Jesus follower, and try to reach holiness (live in holiness), pay tithes. Not the thing that we are baptized with a small amount or a lot of water.

Now I'm asking you, Moses, Elijah, David, Samuel, Enoch, the good criminal beside Jesus, were they enter the Heaven? If some one answer that they were not enters the Heaven, you'd better move to other religion. ......

See, who baptize them? Was there someone? Find it in the Bible till your head getting bold. Then if you find a bible said that Moses, Elijah, David, Samuel etc been baptized, quickly burn that bible, it must be Aunt Lucy (fer)'s

It's not the time to discuss those matters anymore. Remember Jesus will come soon. It's a pity if He comes but still sees His children quarrelling/ debating about baptizing, just like no other thing/ work can be done.

At last, a letter from Paul about baptizing

Heb 6: 1 - 3, GNB

Heb 6:1 Let us go forward, then, to mature teaching and leave behind us the first lessons of the Christian message. We should not lay again the foundation of turning away from useless works and believing in God;

Heb 6:2 of the teaching about baptisms and the laying on of hands; of the resurrection of the dead and the eternal judgment.

Heb 6:3 Let us go forward! And this is what we will do, if God allows.

Don't you feel ashamed, priest who teach kindergarten lessons merely to their community?
How can the community take progress if the people like to suckle in the church, feeding milk?

If the priest behaves like kindergarten kids, the community will be like a playgroup kids. Why milk? There's the verse

1 Cor 3:2

"I had to feed you milk, not solid food, because you were not ready for it.

And even now you are not ready for it,"

Finally, Heaven’s message (Ef 4: 3 - 6)

Eph 4:3 Do your best to preserve the unity which the Spirit gives by means of
the peace that binds you together.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as there is one hope to which God has called you.
Eph 4:5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
Eph 4:6 there is one God and Father of all people, who is Lord of all,
works through all, and is in all.

Jesus will judge what we've done, not the kind of our baptizing

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